Does anyone know what the bounce is on the Ping Eye 2+ SW (53*) and LW (58*)? They don"t appear be on the Ping website.

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They play with a lot less bounce though when they"re opened up due to the slant on the sole that"s sort of a Ping version of the Cleveland DSG.


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18* on the LW is surprising - if true. Is this on the "+" or the original -- which seems to have more bounce and a larger sole.

 

This is especially surprising since the bounce on a Ping i-wedge (whose sole is supposed to be inspired by the Eye 2) is 11.5*.



I had asked PING this a short time ago for my EYE2+ wedges. Here is their reply:

 

The loft on the Eye2+ SW is 53 degrees, with a 12 degree bounce. The LW loft is 58 degrees and the bounce is 18 1/4 degrees.

 

They did say the measure bounce differently than other manufacturers. I am not sure what that means, maybe what mat562 said about the dynamic grind.


The original Eye 2 wedges also have a high listed bounce angle. Something akin, on paper, to the Eye 2+ wedges IIRC.

 

The sole design means that they play differently though - owing to the more bulky sole design that presents more bounce when they are opened up. I"ve played an Eye 2 sand and lob wedge on and off for years, and I"ve had to heavily grind down my Eye 2 L wedge to get it to play how I wanted it to play - with virtually no bounce. An Eye 2+ L wedge, even after being bent 2 degrees weaker plays with much less bounce and can be opened up easily, without the need for any grinding IME.

 

In terms of the sand wedges, the same theory applies. Aside from the loft differences (53 as standard in the Eye2+ v 57.5 as standard in the original model) the clubs play very differently from sand. The original model plays with much more bounce, where as the Eye 2+ plays with much less, and tends to dig far more for me.

 

Both great wedges, but they play very differently as stock clubs.


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Posted June 22, 2008

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The original Eye 2 wedges also have a high listed bounce angle. Something akin, on paper, to the Eye 2+ wedges IIRC.

 

The sole design means that they play differently though - owing to the more bulky sole design that presents more bounce when they are opened up. I"ve played an Eye 2 sand and lob wedge on and off for years, and I"ve had to heavily grind down my Eye 2 L wedge to get it to play how I wanted it to play - with virtually no bounce. An Eye 2+ L wedge, even after being bent 2 degrees weaker plays with much less bounce and can be opened up easily, without the need for any grinding IME.

 

In terms of the sand wedges, the same theory applies. Aside from the loft differences (53 as standard in the Eye2+ v 57.5 as standard in the original model) the clubs play very differently from sand. The original model plays with much more bounce, where as the Eye 2+ plays with much less, and tends to dig far more for me.

 

Both great wedges, but they play very differently as stock clubs.


 

Not to dig up an old post yet ......

 

I have an original eye2 sw but the grooves are worn down to being innefective. I have just purchased a callaway x-forged 60*cgrind 10* bounce with their md grooves that i love. I was thinking of getting their 56* with 14* bounce md grooves to replace it but am not sure how it will play out of the sand. From the turf i know it will play well but i don"t want to screw up my sand play. Any idea how this new wedge might compare to my existing eye2??


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Posted June 24, 2008

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I played an old beryllium Eye 2 sand wedge for years - usually on and off with a 588 sand wedge. My Ping sand wedges (I also dabbled with the Eye 2+ models) were always set at 56 degrees, so on paper my old faithful probably had 10 or 11 degrees of bounce. I always felt it played as if it had a bit more though, owing to the sole design and width. In terms of other wedges (which for me has always meant a Vokey or a Cleveland 588) I reckon that the high bounce options (a 56.14 and the stock 56/14 respectively) play most similarly to the Pings. The narrower sole means that a tad more bounce is required for me to get a similar performance from sand with the stock sole.

 

I"ve not hit one of the new Callaways, so I don"t know how the grind will affect the stated bounce and how it works from sand when it"s opened up. All my Vokeys and Clevelands have had the stock sole and a square heel that provides a lot of bounce through the sand which is a bit different from the Callaways from what I can tell.

 

I still occasionally have a whirl with my older clubs around the practice green and, although the performance is similar and I"m able to adjust between the two very different designs, the feel of the Eye 2s is entirely different in the case of sand play for me. Another thing to be aware of is that your Ping will likely be a lot lighter (probably 4 or 5 swingweights or so) than the Callaway wedge you"re considering.

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All the above is probably as clear as mud, but it"s my take on the subject for what it"s worth.