So I will be the first to admit that I am somewhat to blame here, just looking for advice/experience to see if I can help my situation.

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A soldier from my company moved was transferred to another company in my battalion and the soldier never turned in his mask. We are now deployed, about to have a change of command. I am being told that because his 2062 has not been signed in the last six months, and he is saying that he is not sure if e turned it in or not that I will be charged for the mask. I have had people tell me that 2062s do not expire, but they are pushing to start the statement of charges very soon. Can I do anything?


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Do not sign. Battalion S4 here. Per AR 735-5, 2062s do not expire, also in that reg is a line about good practice is to update 2062s every six months which is where that myth comes from. Your command should initiate a FLIPL or execute a statement of charges against the individual last signed for the mask. Pull the reg out and make it known that your rebuttal if they FLIPL against you will quote the paragraph on 2062s. They will look like idiots in front of the bn cmd team. Your command is trying to bully you, don’t let them. Poor leadership.


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Haircuts planted the flag on Mt Suribachi

It’s been a long time since I’ve had a reason to say this, bless you S4.


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Just so I can learn something new today, can you provide a little further direction into AR 735-5? (Maybe a specific Chapter or paragraph.) I was looking and couldn't find a section that specifically referenced what you discussed. There was some relevant information in AR 710-2 though stating that if change documents are used then they must be attached to original hand receipts once every 6 months. Just the way I am reading it makes it seem that verbiage doesn't explicitly say that 2062's last only 6 months, but it does say that the original hand receipts should be updated in 6 month increments if changes occur off that paper.

Also, DA PAM 710-2-1 para 5-7 that says (under one specific circumstance) that the PBO or Responsible Official (RO) should be inventorying 2062 items semiannually.

I don't know if I am taking any of this out of context because I'm not S4, but I can definitely see how this shit can get confusing quick.


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Holy shit this is totally the dude who posted that gas mask for sale on Facebook a few days ago


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My thoughts exactly...lol


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You can always not sign it, and initiate a FLIPL.


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Tell your command that 2062s don't expire. Whip your dick out. Force your commander to suck it while the 1SG looks for the mask.


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Refuse statement of charges, request a FLIPL. Commander's don't like FLIPLs because they look bad and everyone can see them on the FLIPL tracker, but your money is more important to you than your commander's feelings, right?

What you're looking at is a determination of responsibility. If you've been through any sort of CSDP course in the last few years, we're direct and personal responsibility (there's 3 more out there but whatever).

From AR 735-5:

Direct responsibility. The obligation of a person to ensure all Government property for which they have receipted, is properly used and cared for, and that proper custody, safekeeping, and disposition are provided. Direct responsibility results from assignment as an accountable officer, receipt of formal written delegation, or acceptance of the property on hand receipt from an accountable officer. Commanders or directors of separate TDA activities will determine and assign in writing those individuals who will have direct responsibility for property. (2-8(3) / page 5)

You, as HRH, have direct responsibility.

Personal responsibility. The obligation of a person to exercise reasonable and prudent actions to properly use, care for, safeguard, and dispose of all Government property issued for, acquired for, or converted to a person’s exclusive use, with or without receipt. (2-8(5) / page 5)

Soldier Fuckface has personal responsibility and here's why:

Sub-hand receipt A hand receipt for property from a primary hand receipt holder or a subhand receipt holder to a person subsequently given the property for care, use, safekeeping or further issue. It does not transfer direct responsibility for the property to the subhand receipt holder, but does transfer personal responsibility. (glossary terms / page 187)

Again...

Further hand receipting (sub-hand receipting) does not transfer direct responsibility nor relieve the primary hand receipt holder of their duties. (2-9(2) / page 6)

As you can see, you are not released from your direct responsibility.

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THAT SAID COMMA, no FLIPL investigator is going to pin it all on you if a 2062 is out and the soldier can't prove otherwise. This is why I always get something in writing when I turn in a 2062'd item. You can still be found partially liable, but I'll bet you a donut you aren't fully liable for the item as the end result of a FLIPL.